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Old 02-27-2009, 11:38 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Attorney General is Right: Too Many Cowardly White People

The article turns out differently then you might think...

http://www.northstarwriters.com/gl066.htm

Wanted to get some views on this and maybe some debate, since the site has been quiet for awhile.
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Old 02-27-2009, 11:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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debate? he's spot on.
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I can't say I disagree, I recently received a scholarship application and I thought I fit the bill perfectly, then I noticed it was for women and minorities only. I don't get how something can include such a large portion of the population (approximately 75%) yet exclude the 25% I'm in. I'm convinced a scholarship targeted at white males would get killed in the media and by certain groups. The University I go to is split pretty much 50/50 male/female. It has a 15% black enrollment and a 3% Hispanic enrollment, this may seem low but compared to the surrounding community when you exclude college students you see that nearly the entire hispanic population around here is enrolled in the college and the black population not enrolled is less than half what the college enrollment is.

In a related note I've found another interesting trend, of the overall population born between 1980 and 2000 about 60% are white while when surveyed 45% state their race as non-white. This means there's fully 5% of this generation that do not want to be associated with being white. There could be many reasons for this, wanting to fit into a certain lifestyle or culture, not wanting to be considered Generic or be more exotic, but I can't help but wonder how many of these people just don't want to be associated with being white due to all the negative connotation that are associated with it today.
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Old 02-27-2009, 12:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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My main thing with the article was I was just glad someone had the balls to say that whites have to walk on eggshells 24/7 to worry about not offending someone.
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I say it every day.

I'm going to start a WET station just to see what people say.
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I say it every day.

I'm going to start a WET station just to see what people say.
I think it would be something along the lines of "When did Country Music Television move to this channel?"
I've got two BETs as well as CMT and GAC (Great American Country) I feel I have equilibrium.
I have three stations tailored to women but only Spike and I guess Speed tailored to men, I think a second automotive channel is really needed.
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Wow, showing some true colors aren't we?
*So everyone knows I am one of those 'people' who recieved a scholarship based upon performance and ethniticity*

With that in mind, how about we try to notch this discussion up a few years in maturity...

What that article is talking about is reverse racism, or negative feelings harbored by minorities against whites; which is becoming more and more prevelent, although the number of ethnicities in the states are rising at a high rate. In fact, Latino Americans may out number White Americans well within our own lifetime, which would classify the United States as a Latin country...I find that somewhat inspiring.

I mention this because all of you may one day feel what it is like to be unlike the masses, to hear languages you dont really understand too well, and may even find upsetting. I menton this because as individuals you will be judged on your ability, or lack thereof, to include the beliefs and perceptions of other cultures, as they will become the norm. I mention this because it is rather likely that you will someday soon work for someone who is not white...

*And if you feel as though you have to walk on egg shells when speaking to someone, it is usually because what you have in mind is something unsavory, so maybe the real issue is you*

The New York Cartoon, for instance, is something of an example as one person can clearly see that it is a simple connection to a skeptical political movement. But if this cartoon were circulated around an office, lets say a major newspaper, and a person of color saw this...they would have said 'hey, this will offend black people, make the monkey, a donkey [democrat symbol]'. But no, instead the Post is neck deep in ****, and we get a series of 'journalists' who are much more interested in thier own opinion then, I dont know, facts.

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Wow, showing some true colors aren't we?
What do you mean by this?
Let me give you an example. In Iraq I worked with civilian contractors in a lot of projects. At one point the civilian contractor in charge of our Outside Plant moved on to a different base, leaving the person under him in charge. This guy was pretty incompetent in both the technical aspects of the job as well as with aspects of leadership in management. One day over lunch I made the comment that a trained monkey could do a better job than him. Instantly everyone jumped to the idea I was racist! Apparently it's OK for a white person to use this common expression (meaning the person is extremely incompetent and a lower primate could do his job just as effectively) in referring to another white person, black people can use it to refer to pretty much anyone, but I can't use it to refer to a particularly inept civilain because of his skin color? I'm no the one who's got racist thoughts on their minds.
Unlike some, I've traveled outside the US, I've experienced other cultures, languages, encountered communication barriers and stereotypes. The point is the rest of the world doesn't see white or black or hispanic people, they just see Americans, but we can't get this same view ourselves because we like to keep ourselves devided. I'm pretty certain of one thing though, even if the population in the US was 99% of Latin American decent we wouldn't be looked at as a Latin country, our culture is just so different and uniquely American and we should embrace this aspect rather than worry about if we're Latin, Anglo Saxxon, Black, or whatever. The rest of the world doesn't care, we're American's for better or for worse.
I've also been fortuneate enough to see an environment where ideally everyone starts off on equal footing and they can be whatever they want to be. I thought that was one of the great things about the military, that once you enter basic training you're all Green (or blue, or wet, or a Marine, depending on the branch) and you're all in it together. About the time I started going to the NCO boards I learned that race is a determining factor for promotion to the higher ranks. I'd always figured that the reason the higher ranking NCOs I encounted were predominately black was because the military tended to attract and enlist people of lower income and that the breakdown by race compared to income class of young adults resulted in the corresponding racial breakdown of people in the military. Wrong, DOD practiced affirmative action which resulted in a disproportionate number of white people being passed over for promotion. The only way I could reasonably expect to get a career in the armed forces would be if I chose to get a degree and become an officer.
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by 87supra87
Wow, showing some true colors aren't we?
*So everyone knows I am one of those 'people' who recieved a scholarship based upon performance and ethniticity*

With that in mind, how about we try to notch this discussion up a few years in maturity...

What that article is talking about is reverse racism, or negative feelings harbored by minorities against whites; which is becoming more and more prevelent, although the number of ethnicities in the states are rising at a high rate. In fact, Latino Americans may out number White Americans well within our own lifetime, which would classify the United States as a Latin country...I find that somewhat inspiring.

I mention this because all of you may one day feel what it is like to be unlike the masses, to hear languages you dont really understand too well, and may even find upsetting. I menton this because as individuals you will be judged on your ability, or lack thereof, to include the beliefs and perceptions of other cultures, as they will become the norm. I mention this because it is rather likely that you will someday soon work for someone who is not white...

*And if you feel as though you have to walk on egg shells when speaking to someone, it is usually because what you have in mind is something unsavory, so maybe the real issue is you*

The New York Cartoon, for instance, is something of an example as one person can clearly see that it is a simple connection to a skeptical political movement. But if this cartoon were circulated around an office, lets say a major newspaper, and a person of color saw this...they would have said 'hey, this will offend black people, make the monkey, a donkey [democrat symbol]'. But no, instead the Post is neck deep in ****, and we get a series of 'journalists' who are much more interested in thier own opinion then, I dont know, facts.
I'm not sure that you're too familiar with me. I don't walk on eggshells but todays society has a way of putting them in front of me. I personally don't give a **** about smashing the egg shells but to try to deny that they are there is ridiculous.

it's would literally be illegal to have a scholarship that was only available to white kids but united negro college fund is considered social acceptable.

As a white kid that comes from below the poverty line I'd like to see help more determined by need than color. when your parent made 0 dollars over the previous 3 years and you don't get as much aid as a rich minority family something is ****ing wrong.

It's time to start thinking about equal opportunity and actual equality and less about statistical equality and how two wrongs somehow equal a right.

My point about BET, WET is that it's inherently racist to say that something is only entertaining to white or black people. It's just entertainment. The only people who see things in terms of black and white anymore is the so called "racially sensitive" people.
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This article says what a lot of people feel but due to it not being politically correct, they won't say. Mainly for fear of being labled as a racist for finding a system that promotes inequality as both hypocritical and counterproductive. Affirmative action encourages racial and sexual labels which only further perpetuates the problem.

As for white people feeling as if they have to walk on egg shells around minorities it is a reality. And I will say with substantial confidence that when I have encountered such situations it had nothing to do with the problem being me. The problem lies with those who want to look for racism, and sadly when you spend your time looking for something that can be subjective at times you usually find it.

If the goal is to obtain equality in society then we shouldn't use a system that promotes inequality. If you want to evaulated solely for your abilities and talents and not for somethig like race then don't make race part of the situation whether in your favor or against it.

The sad reality is that there will always be people that are racist, and this applies to people of all race and not just the white majority. The idea that only the group in the majority can be racist is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard, minorities can be as racist as the majority, stupidity and ignorance isn't racist.

And as for WET, that makes me think porn channel.
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